[4], Having joined the Iron Lords, Efrideet participated in their campaign against the Warlords. Unable to destroy the techno-virus, the Iron Lords sealed it beneath the earth. The young Hunter is against keeping Hive prisoners, arguing repeatedly with Saladin over the ethics of their actions. To combat this threat, Ikora Rey had the Guardians reach out to the one being that could help: Mithrax of the House of Light. Declaring that he was still an Iron Lord, Saladin promised to be in the fray himself to exact retribution and hoped to see the Young Wolf on the battlefield doing the same. Saladin recently also displays distaste for Osiris due to his infamous exile of the Last City, and also further explains that it was Ikora Rey who reformed the Warlock order, not Osiris. From them, Rasputin would repair itself enough to allow it to speak directly to Ana and the Guardian, and reveal the true extent of Clovis Bray's deceit. Saladin would win all the rites, including against a bodyguard to another member of the council, leading an impressed Empress Caiatl to promote Saladin as a Valus. He probably died during twilight gap. You are not allowed to view this content. 1 Saint-14. I don't think all Guardians were dead. Lord Saladin Forge is a Titan Guardian partnered with the Ghost Isirah and one of two known survivors of the original Iron Lords. Take a minute to review our Code of Conduct before submitting your post. [21] Further, Saladin did not approve of how the conflict with the Cabal was handled, ending with an armistice, nor how the Vanguard allowed the House of Light to be granted sanctuary within the Last City, as he didn't trust either the Cabal or the Fallen. Efrideet carefully kept her face neutral and ignored Saladin looking at her in shock, keeping ready to draw her hand cannon in case things turned violent. As his prisoner struggled, Saladin demanded to know more about the data they stole, how they had crafted the Light-dampening tech, and where the rest of the Psion cell was. Their demise and Efrideet's disappearance caused many in the Last City to assume she had perished as well. [30] Saladin spoke with the Young Wolf about the failed assault, bemoaning how an assassin had infiltrated so easily and that luck would not be on their side next time. Efrideet believed that nobody was a better shot than her, and in response, Saladin pointed at the village below and explained how he came every week to defend it from a nearby Fallen House, but that the Fallen kept returning. along the way, he got into a battle with risen thugs that ended in a draw. [18] After destroying the remnants and the chamber, the Guardian returns to Felwinter Peak, where Saladin gifts them a newly forged sword and names them the first of a new generation of Iron Lords. [22] After Basilius's elimination, Saladin sent a message to the Young Wolf complimenting them on their efforts, but expressed frustration at Zavala's determination not to enter into total war against the Cabal. After the Iron Banner event concludes, players may still be able to launch into a Tower that still shows Iron Banner decorations, but Lord Saladin . They are the same type of beings as we, they just didn't call themselves guardians at the time. However, like Shaxx, Saladin respects all the classes of Guardians. Zavala is Saladin's former pupil, and each holds the other in quite high esteem. He turned towards the town and informed her that it had forty-three inhabitants, only half of whom were capable of fighting. To be a Guardian you have to have a ghost. [19] After Rasputin was awakened on Mars and declared itself the guardian of humanity and the solar system, Saladin expressed deep concern for the situation. He is bad enough to be a guardian:) that war axe <3 truly a beautiful weapon. Here is a list of the top 10 funniest lore entries in Destiny. As they stood on his balcony, she revealed to him that she wished to leave Earth and that he could not change her mind. Interesting, since you become a Guardian by dying and being revived by a Ghost, so did Saladin die? A few weeks ago, we witnessed an argument between Crow and Lord Saladin that outlined the ethical dilemma. By clicking 'Accept', you agree to the updated policies documented at, Our policies have recently changed. While searching for a pig that was stolen from the village Saladin reached an antenna base that was used to spy on the villagers, there he finds the stolen pig as well as its thief. [11], Efrideet's departure spared her from participating in the Battle of Site-6, where all her fellow Iron Lords save Saladin perished at the hands of SIVA under the control of the Warmind Rasputin, who sought to reclaim and destroy his resurrected son Felwinter. [7] Saladin was amongst the most honored of the lords and frequently joined his comrades in combating the warlords by defending towns under their control. Felwinter attempted to convince Shaxx to join, but the Warlord questioned if he had given Citan the same speech before killing him. Though Lord Saladin wouldn't take an active part in the operation concerning the surprise return of the Leviathan, the personal craft of the former emperor of the cabal, Calus, he nonetheless advised Empress Caiatl when she ordered her fleet to blockade the massive vessel as it hanged derelict near the Moon. [9], After decades of conflict, Efrideet joined Saladin Forge and Felwinter within a Warlock meditation chamber within Felwinter Peak to plan how to deal with the legendary Warlord Shaxx's mountain fortress. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he trailer say the Iron Lords existed before the Guardians, and therefore wouldn't have had ghosts? Saladin decides that he will never give mercy to an enemy if that mercy comes at the cost of mercy for their victim.[13]. Leaping at the roaring creature once more, Saladin yelled to his companion that they were what they survived. Prior to leaving, in a message for the Young Wolf, Saladin left his Iron Battle Axe in the H.E.L.M. Although the heavy fire pushed them back, their shields protected them, and the Iron Lords returned fire, quickly cutting down the trapped enemy. Much like his own students, Saladin has a prideful, stubborn streak, as he normally doesn't back down from a fight and doesn't apologize easily. He was forced to cooperate with Shaxx at the behest of the Consensus to coordinate these events because his former pupil had become the head of the Crucible in the aftermath of the Twilight Gap. Most of the lore that makes Destiny as deep of a game as it . This sub is for discussing the lore of Bungie's game Destiny 2 and its predecessor, Destiny. Nodding in respect, Saladin threw the Psion over the cliff edge, but as they began to fall Saladin saw his reflection in the eye of the Psion and felt their last thoughts of terror but also their ancestors reaching out to welcome them and a mixture of emotions he could not feel as a human. and something else for Crow, stating if he is half as smart as he think he is, he will find it. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. As they fought the beast, Efrideet kept her distance by shooting it with a rifle while Saladin charged it with an Iron Battle Axe, and she questioned if he did not want to use another weapon. Saladin entered the building and found Fera, now a grown woman and a packmaster. [12], Centuries later, with the onset of the SIVA Crisis, Efrideet returned to the Iron Temple to assist Saladin and fulfil her responsibility to the Iron Banner. While he maintains a friendship with Zavala, Saladin has a shaky relationship with Shaxx at best for both refuse to make amends over the Battle of the Twilight Gap. However, the decision aggravates the members of the Consensus, Saladin Forge included. He told the Young Wolf that if it were up to him, the Vanguard would destroy the warmind. So, he had a Ghost, and he existed as a Risen. Can confirm he has one, one of the last cut scenes it highlights stone carvings within the Iron Temple. Notable info: Former Iron Banner handler. Fera sits on her throne while flanked by her men. The Iron War Beasts held the Fallen at bay long enough for the Guardian to arrive and fight alongside them, leading to the death of their leader Rilliks, Instrument of Xivu Arath and Ana to safely access Felspring's remains. He was revived by his Ghost as Efrideet arrived at the field and mocked him for thinking she might miss. Alongside Radegast and Perun, he travelled to a village ruled by Warlord Segoth. I guess he keeps it in his backpack, like we do. While Jolder and Perun suggested recruiting Bretomart and Deidris, Saladin told Radegast he trusted only him. He was particularly close to the Iron Lord's leader, Radagast, who became his mentor while Jolder became his closest companion among the Iron Lords. Saladin gave Fera a wolf talisman and asked her to protect the villagers and others she found. After letting Fera go Saladin stormed the local warlord's encampment and brutally killed him and his soldiers. He dodged her question about why he did not trust her and rebuffed her interest in joining the Iron Lords by declaring that he was searching for more than just Lightbearers who could shoot. Without ammo, Saladin was at a loss of what to do, with the Walker being out of range of his Light powers and the time it would take to climb down surely dooming the village. Unlike the rest of her compatriots, she did not participate in the Battle of Site-6 and was thus spared from the near total destruction of the order. The Rezyl Azzir card "Before These Walls" touches on that when it points out that Rezyl was what would eventually become known as Titan. Efrideet noted there was no dignity in letting the entire village die either. [2], As the Iron Lords began to recruit, Saladin left to defend the village of Patch Run from a Fallen House that frequently assaulted it. Astonished by how much currency the bar owner had and wondering where he got it, Wu Ming noted that if she stuck with him she would get rich, but asked where Felwinter was. As Shaxx announced he would march to reinforce the southern walls, Saladin informed them that he had broken the Fallen's assault and that the City was saved. Saladin sent a message to his former pupil in the aftermath berating him for allowing the Cabal to continue living so that they could carry out attacks like that within their wall, warning him that the Cabal were like the Warlords and could be given no quarter. The Iron Lords would have Ghosts. Iron Lord Saladin Forge had seen many things in his many centuries of life. She was told to meet him and the others at Dwindler's Ridge and she questioned how many of them there were, which made Saladin smirk and remark "a few". Or can Ghosts give Light to people who are already alive and make them Guardians? He again noted that Zavala would not authorize a larger-scale conflict and that there were still more commanders seeking to join Caiatl's council, advising that they keep hitting them until the Cabal could not regain their footing. Well Bungie added a nice little tid bit, saying that he might have since become a Guardian. However, she only agreed to join if he promised she could throw him again if they ran out of ammo once more. With newfound respect for Efrideet, Saladin admitted that someone with her skills and moral compass would be welcome in the Iron Lords. Taking a position on a rooftop with her sniper rifle, she killed 216 Cabal with 199 shots. A fight ensues and Saladin kills both Fera and her men. Together, they declared themselves the Iron Lords and vowed to bring an end to the rule of the Warlords. [6], Efrideet was contacted by Wu Ming, the owner of a bar at the base of Felwinter Peak called the End of the World, who requested she bring Felwinter to the bar to hear a business proposition. The Iron Lords Living Lords Hunters Efrideet Titans Saladin Forge Other The Guardian Deceased Lords Hunters Gheleon [32], In the aftermath of the failed assassination, the brutality between the Vanguard and Cabal increased on the battlefields as the Cabal's supply lines stretched thin and the remaining officers vying for Caiatl's favour began to lose faith in her leadership. As they defeated the Warlords and liberated humanity's survivors from their rule, they assisted a growing City underneath the Traveler. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. [36] Saladin remained angry at how the conflict ended and was convinced the armistice would be broken by Caiatl. Saladin befriended three other Risen who did not follow the Warlord's path; Radegast, Jolder, and Perun. [14], Efrideet's departure prompted Lord Saladin Forge to take over her Iron Banner responsibilities. Lord Saladin wants you to head into his special version of the Crucible once more with your best . Saladin was found and raised by his Ghost Isirah in Old Russia during the Dark Age, at which point most of humanity was scattered and lived under the ruthless rule of other Lightbearers who had become Warlords. After many months of hard fighting, the Guardians succeeded in holding the line against Xivu Arath's Horde and saving Mara Sov's Techeun Coven from the Ascendant Realm, allowing the Awoken Queen to conduct the ritual to excise the Witch Queen's worm. [23], Saladin soon learned that Val Ma'rag was leading a Cabal assault against the Hive in the Cosmodrome in revenge for the Fall of Torobatl to the Hive God of War Xivu Arath. She meet with four representatives from the village, including the last known Speaker, and told them that they would be provided with an armed escort to the City if they decided to join. In time, he established the Iron Banner to keep the memory of the fallen Iron Lords alive and train the new Guardians in the ways of old. [26] Although Ixel was eliminated, three other Psions escaped with Vex data. Since the original Iron Lords were not Guardians. Saladin was found and raised by his Ghost Isirah in Old Russia during the Dark Age, at which point most of humanity was scattered and lived under the ruthless rule of other Lightbearers who had become Warlords. (cinematic director) Film Editing by Bungie Casting By Timothy Cubbison Art Department Sound Department Visual Effects by Stunts Dominic Kinnaird . Sometime after the fall of the iron lords, Saladin was tracking the origin point of a broadcasted signal. Since it been a long time since his fellow lords died Saladin advocated eliminating Caiatl so that they could simply mop up the remaining Cabal in the resulting chaos, but Zavala believed that would lower them to their foe's level while Osiris doubted the Empress would fall so easily. [10], Several weeks later Efrideet and Saladin led an army of Iron Lords to Shaxx's mountain stronghold, having put down the Devil activity in the Cosmodrome. Saladin felt strangely at peace for that moment, but it faded as the Psion plunged to their death below. While Felwinter agreed to abide by their demand, he never removed it. . [7], Efrideet travelled to a village that had been liberated from Warlord Cathal a year before asking them to join the city. By comparison, Zavala's resolve and purpose, while emblematic of any Titan, are tempered by a somewhat more forgiving view of humanity and the other denizens of the Sol system. Due to his history of combating the Fallen, they hoped he would appeal to their line of thinking and offered him to retake the position of Vanguard Commander but to their dismay, Saladin rebuffed their offer as he still trusts in Zavala and Ikora's decisions. He compared Caiatl and her commanders to the Warlords of old, using honour as nothing more than currency for fear, and that they could not trust or negotiate with anyone with such a mindset. She found him atop a cliff near the small village of Patch Run and assisted him in dispatching a group of Fallen, but the two ran out of ammunition during the fight. [33], After several more victories, Saladin met with Zavala, Osiris, and the Young Wolf in the H.E.L.M. [31], A captured Psion was soon brought to the Last City for interrogation, which Saladin was asked to take over once Osiris's more subtle approaches failed. [22], Contacting the Young Wolf at the H.E.L.M., Saladin briefed them on their first mission. [34], Although Saladin disagreed with the plan, he was pleased that at last they had found some way to potentially break the stalemate and take decisive action. Thanks to a report from Crow, Saladin had their next target lined up: Basilius the Golem, who was seeking Golden Age relics on Europa to offer to Caiatl in hopes of augmenting Cabal forces with cybernetic and Exo tech. It's just a title. Well Bungie added a nice little tid bit, saying that he might have since become a Guardian. The Rezyl Azzir card "Before These Walls" touches on that when it points out that Rezyl was what would eventually become known as Titan. Saladin however states that is where the similarities end, as he has seen Caiatl lead her people with purpose and conviction, traits he has not seen in the former emperor, but Calus retaliates with the knowledge of how eager Saladin used to be in slaughtering her troops when Caiatl first arrived and wondered what that says about his own convictions which leaves the Iron Lord unable to respond. SALADIN: Lord Guardian. 3 Iron Lords left? Lakshmi-2 of the Future War Cult, led the other factions in an attempted coup to oust the Vanguard and forcefully expel the House of Light using Vex portal technology. By continuing to use this site, you agree to the updated policies documented at, {{client.users[message.memberFromId].displayName}}. Lord Saladin and Commander Zavala are longtime friends and comrades and are brothers-in-arms from numerous campaigns, including the notorious battles of Twilight Gap and Six Fronts. Each of the Iron Lords fell several times, but their shield wall never broke, and Segoth eventually retreated, vowing to kill them and all who aided them as the town cheered Saladin and his comrades. [3], Saladin agreed to Efrideet's plan and began to warn her not to miss as he gathered Arc energy around himself. He first sends reinforcements to Guardians in the EDZ that were ambushed by Lucent Hive, leading to a general being captured. Efrideet left Earth and joined a group of Lightbearers at an undisclosed location to explore new ways to use the Light without violence. The other Iron Lord declared that they were knights and asked if she did not want to be a dragon slayer before charging the beast once more. She was also concerned that Shaxx would target Felwinter's Ghost, Felspring, as he had multiple confirmed kills of other Warlords, but Felwinter did not believe that Shaxx would attempt to truly kill him. Saladin was spotlighted with the Destiny expansion Rise of Iron, which saw him working with the Guardian to reign in the Devil Splicers and the SIVA crisis. Saladin (and any living Iron Lord) could have since gained one, but someone fought to defend Earth before the Traveler created ghosts. Saladin was angered that the Cabal had managed to steal data on his watch and was concerned about what Osiris was doing with the information they recovered from the mission. In addition to dealing with the Nightmare of Ghaul's taunts, Saladin would attempt to provide condolences and comfort to his old student when he was being plagued by the Nightmare of Safiyah, the apparition of the woman who once served as a surgeon under him and fell in love with Zavala. Another general there is captured, revealing that the Brood was planning to take over the Scarlet Keep on the Moon, using stolen Light to summon a massive invasion force. Iron Lords were the first guardians before there were Guardians. He disparaged the Psion race as cowards for their continued servitude to the Cabal and Empress Caiatl, noting that while he understood their initial subservience to the Cabal, the deposing of Calus and death of Ghaul should have been their opportunity to rise and free themselves. Osiris reported all fireteams were accounted for, and Saint credited the Titan Elriq for helping him save eight Guardians during dozens of charges against the Fallen. However, their coup ended in disaster as Vex poured out of the portal and attacked indiscriminately, killing the Lakshmi, leading the Guardians to quickly scramble to save the House of Light. Saladin was outraged at this underhanded tactic and ordered their efforts redoubled against the Cabal in revenge. Efrideet tried to get him to reconsider his strategy and questioned why he had wished to fight a dragon. Saladin eagerly agreed, regretting not having participated in the Red War, and was determined to wipe out the Cabal once and for all to prevent them from ever harming humanity again. "You have to move." Because Saladin stood unmoving. [13], After the Red Legion captured the Last City and imprisoned the Traveler, Efrideet and the other Guardians were stripped of their Light. Saladin then oversees the offensive in which Caiatl's forces fight alongside Guardians to halt the ritual and capture another general. However, as a result of his experiences and losses, Saladin has been hardened from them all. Also i thought it was badass that Lord Saladin rushed into battle against SIVA Fallen knowing now that he has no Ghost,and his next death will be his last. After the eleventh time the tower was destroyed, Saladin met with Silimar in its ruins and upon his friend's revival by his Ghost, questioned him about why he kept rebuilding and calling the tower doomed. Saladin wished to fight a dragon, which transformed the creature into a giant dragon that breathed fire. Saladin befriended three other Risen who did not follow the Warlord's path; Radegast, Jolder, and Perun. He noted that the remnants of the Red Legion sought to earn Caiatl's favour through the Rite and that that would exploit that by challenging every contender for the Empress's War Council and prevent any seats from being filled, preventing the Cabal from reorganizing and starting another full-scale war. Efrideet questioned if he had any ammo remaining, but Saladin stated he had only the Light but the Fallen were out of range and they would have to climb down. Well Bungie added a nice little tid bit, saying that he might have since become a Guardian. The two play board games together to sharpen their tactical acumen and maintain their friendship. These differences lead Saladin to view Zavala as slightly naiive, while Zavala sometimes sees his former mentor as obstinate and uncompromising. Former Iron Banner handler One of the last members of the Iron Lords. Being a Guardian means being a servant to the Vanguard/Tower/City. After sitting out of the Red War due to lacking his Light, Saladin watched for several years as the Vanguard struggled against new threats and the Arrival of the Black Fleet. Saladin admitted he did not and questioned why Felwinter was still tolerated. However, he asked her to repeat what she thought he said. Saladin however, while about as unnerved with keeping the Hive in such a state, the Iron Lord believes the Hive don't deserve their sympathy. https://www.destinypedia.com/index.php?title=Efrideet&oldid=227254. To prepare the site for the Guardian's arrival, Saladin sent a force of his Iron War Beasts, Cabal he had personally trained, to secure the Temple. As it was recently discovered that Rasputin began as a submind planted into an Exo Frame before being made a Lightbearer, Ana believes that Felspring may contain not only Felwinter's memories but also Rasputin's code and linguistics that they could use to repair the Warmind faster. He was unexpectedly joined by Efrideet, a Lightbearer whom he did not entirely trust. Lord Saladin not appearing in the Tower: If during the Iron Banner event, Lord Saladin does not appear in the Tower, players should return to Orbit and try relaunching into the Tower activity again. Crow remorsefully states he was wrong about him and expresses how he is sorry but Saladin leaves stating that while he respects him for sticking to his convictions, let this event be a lesson: doing what one believe is right doesn't absolve them of consequences of those actions. Saladin and the rest of the Iron Lords were confused by Silimar's constant building of a tower that he rebuilt every time it was assaulted by the Fallen and Warlords.